Lesson learned. Tried switching metals to satisfy a couple doctors needs of a more affordable alloy. FRACTURES. and lots of them, even after trying everything to fix it. Going back to Argebond 80. Lesson in "getting what you pay for". Good thing is we re-learned this and we were able to re-learn the doctor on the old saying as well:) ..............on another note, wish we would have went to the windy city. Next time LMT.........next time.